To quote a semi famous chicken - - "The sky is falling , the sky is falling !

The "real problem" of the world is people so gullible they continue to believe the global warming scam !

The 80% /20% split in the vote(at time of posting ) in favour of the recession as more important is troubling .

Perhaps that is why we've reached the brink of enviromental disaster unfortunately as a species we tend to look at our own selfish short term interests before long term matters which lets be frank our grandchildren and later descendants (if they exist ) will be paying for.A variation of this risky thinking got us into the recession in the first place.
Can't believe there are still naysayers who don't believe in global warming but there again some people still believe the world is flat!

Oh well evolution will catch us out if we can't adapt then then we'll go the way of millions of other species .

at this moment... "economic" recovery / stability, is - are key to nurture further "green" ingraining in the global quest for protecting / safeguarding our planet

The best current research puts the rate of global warming at about 0.6 deg C per century, with a variation of about +/- 0.25 deg which follows the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. This is hardly noticeable. Anthropogenic CO2 plays so small a role in this warming that it's lost in instrument noise; the underlying warming rate reflects a recovery from the Little Ice Age of the 14th-18th centuries.

The sea is rising at a rate just under 2 mm/yr, as it has been doing for centuries, amounting to well under a foot per century. Miami will not be drowned by it in the foreseeable future.

There is no "climate crisis." This question is like asking whether one would rather eat lunch with Jolene Blalock or the Tooth Fairy.

we will survive this.
i've survived many harder circumstances like when i kill the biggest croc in the NT, also when i was run over by william robinsons road train now that HURT.
so we'll live brother

Holiday complaints actually recorded by Thomas Cook (Tours) of the UK (are Americans more stupid than this?):

"The beach was too sandy."

"We bought Ray-Ban sunglasses for five euros (US$10.00) from a street trader, only to find out they were fake."

"No-one told us there would be fish in the sea. The children were startled."

"It took us nine hours to fly home from Jamaica to England but it only took the Americans three hours to get home."

"I compared the size of our one-bedroom apartment to our friends' three-bedroom apartment and ours was significantly smaller"

"The brochure stated 'No hairdressers at the hotel.' We're trainee hairdressers - will we be OK staying here?"

"We found the sand was not like the sand in the brochure. Your brochure shows the sand as yellow but it was white."

"We had to queue outside with no air conditioning."

"I was bitten by a mosquito. No-one said they could bite."

"I think it should be explained in the brochure that the local store does not sell proper biscuits like custard creams or ginger nuts."

"On my holiday to Goa in India, I was disgusted to find that almost every restaurant served curry. I don't like spicy food at all."

"We booked an excursion to a water park but no-one told us we had to bring our swimming costumes and towels."

Obviously you have no knowledge of science cause anyone these days who has a degree in science (me)and has knowledge of anything in the science field would counter your staement (also...which parts of the world are you inferring were hotter than that of today)

What's disturbing is the enormous gap between what scientists know about the present climate crisis and what people know.
Fact-- human civilization has thrived over the past 10,000 years ONLY because the climate has been stable during this time. The past 10,000 years have been the only STABLE climate period in the Earth's history.
Fact-- This STABILITY is given by the POLAR ICE CAPS which are RAPIDLY MELTING. Scientists used to give us 50 years until they were totally gone, then it became 20, then 10, then 3, and now they are saying they could be gone this summer.
To treat the climate crisis as nothing is to not be well-informed. We are on the brink of rendering our planet inhospitable to human civilization, our water is scarce and polluted, fully HALF of the ocean's coral reefs are dead because of excess CO2 in the air.
The world's scientists agree that unless action is taken THIS YEAR to reverse climate change, we will completely destroy the stability our planet has enjoyed the past 10 millenia.
WAKE UP! The emergency is real and imminent, and we are fools to not act.
Think of it this way: worst case if nothing happens: we suffer economic melthdown, but we have sustainable energy, clean air, and clean water. Worst case if climate change happens: HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF CLIMATE REFUGEES. Only the human mind could possibly think that it's own selfmade economy could be more important than the planet which gives us all.

I dont get the either or. If people - who mostly lived beyond their capacities for too long - now have less money but more time, isnt that even a chance for a change in travel behaviour and consequently a chance for action on climate change? Airflight contributes to climate change and we fly here and there for a couple of days just because we lack sufficient leisure time. Concepts like annual working hour accounts for instance could encourage long-term holidays with less airflight movements required and would support employers handling their business more flexible than with 40 hours per week commitments. Who better than tourism industry can cope with the fact that people have more leisure time.

Where have you been for the last 20 years? Our world has changed so much for the better as almost everyone is aware that the environment is precious. Climate change is something that has been in existence for trillions of years and will be here for the next trillions and we have no control over it. We had the coldest winter months in history in NJ. There was snow in South Aftica. The are other areas that were warmer. We cannot change these phenominas and to spend trillions of the tzx payers $ on pork projects claiming to help the environment is crazy. Talk with your neighbors and make sure they do the things you want to see done to make this earth better. We all can make a big impact one on one.
The government does not run anything well or honestly, however you can. So do your thing. I am so proud of my family and my neighbors who are wonderful advocates of green ideas and practices. I hope you can be also.

Peter is correct, in that the some of the data being used in the global warming curves are made up and that the computer models have actually been invalidated (the results of the modeling do not match observations). I have personally reviewed some of the papers, including those of Hansen. Many of these authors have committed outright scientific fraud.

Data is also used selectively. If it supports their conclusions, it is included. If it does not support the conclusions, it is left out.

Many papers, including IPCC reports, grossly mislead the reader by ignoring water vapor, which causes about 95% of the global warming effect. It is ignored because the scientists do not know how to account for the great variability from place to place and time to time, so they just assume it to be a constant. Solar energy flux is also usually considered a constant. Turns out that these are bad assumptions.

I'm not sure what liturature Peter has been reading, but there isn't any great division among scientists. I would definitly suggest to Peter that he personally talk to any of the peoples who reside north of the arctic circle. There are thousands of them in North America, Greelnland, Europe, and Asia who will give better data than any computer model. However, I sincerely hope that Peter is right. And I also hope that one day car manufacturers will produce an SUV which the discharges exhaust into the vehicle, to better keep the carbon out of our atmosphere.

I don't agree. What does the question even mean?

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In total agreement with Tervor Truckwell, our fall from Grace is happening and our wasteful ways have to change because we are ruining our beautiful and wonderful world. What sort of world will we wake up to in 20 years time ? Sustainable living is the only way ahead.